What is Date Rape?

I was reading through the comments to an article on the Daily Mail site, here. Most of the comments are just parroting the PC line in response to the main thrust (pun intended) of the article, some select quotes I’ll post below.

Date rape should be treated differently from attacks on women by strangers, John Redwood has said

“None of us want men to rape women, but there is a difference between a man using unreasonable force to assault a woman on the street, and a disagreement between two lovers over whether there was consent on one particular occasion.

“Labour’s doctrine of equivalence has led to jury scepticism about many rape claims, in situations where it is the man’s word against the woman’s and where they had agreed to spend the evening or night together.”

Home Office Minister Vernon Coaker, who is in charge of rape policy, said yesterday: “It is just a month since David Cameron said that too many men were committing rape because they think they can get away with it.

“Now one of his closest advisors is trying to create an artificial difference between stranger and date rape. I have made it clear that rape is rape, wherever it happens. It does not matter who commits it or what the circumstances are.

“In fact, almost 90 per cent of rapes are committed by men who know their victims, so this type of rape is the biggest problem we have to deal with – not something to be dismissed as a lesser crime.

So what fuck is date rape? I remember the hysteria that evil men were spiking innocent girls drinks with date rape drugs. Why the hell that got so much attention (apart from the fact it helps portray women as victims and men as perpetrators) boggles the mind, considering it was an extreme minority of cases, many of which end up not being date rape drugs, but alcohol related.

U.K. Study Finds Alcohol is Real ‘Date-Rape’ Drug

So there wasn’t an army of men going around spiking drinks, women were just drinking too much, trying to match their male friends in a fit of female empowerment I presume.

“You don’t want to be that dumb girly girl who looks wasted and can’t hold her liquor. I know it’s juvenile, but I’ve had boys comment how impressed they are at the amount of alcohol I’ve consumed,” Diebold explains. “To be able to drink like a guy is kind of a badge of honor. For me, it’s a feminism thing.”

For Syracuse administrators, it’s frightening. Last year twice as many women as men — one or two each weekend — were rushed to the local hospital owing to acute intoxication. – TIME: Women On a Binge

You go girls.

Anyway, I’ve been trying to find some sort of concrete definition of date rape as a crime, and what the hell defines consent. Feminists tried to get the law changed to assume women cannot give consent if they are drunk. Luckily common sense prevailed, and judges ruled that women can give consent while drunk. (By the way, notice feminism’s dual portrayal of women as ‘equal to men in every way’, and ‘unable to give consent/ fend for themselves, need taxpayers money etc,’ when it suits the goals of feminism.)

On my internet travels I ended up at the Home Office site. ‘Oh maybe a change to get a definition then,’ I thought.

Well it is quite simple really. You can view the poster campaigns for this here.

If he or she doesn’t say YES then it isn’t consent.

Literally!

Does this mean that every time I’m about to shag my girlfriend (or she wants to shag me) we have to stop and ask each other consent? Fuck off.

More importantly, after the fact, how can I prove she gave consent if she hasn’t signed some sort of legal document, or said it on video? It is just her word against mine, and we all know who’s word has more authority in the ‘victim-sensitivity-trained’ world of the so called criminal justice system. A system that can lock a man up for rape for 10 years with no evidence.

This system assumes women don’t lie.

I would say LOL but this isn’t funny. Men’s lives are ruined by false claims of rape, now they are widening the definition and giving all of the power to the woman to decide whether or not to ruin a man’s life.

Now imagine this.

A girl you meet one night DRAGS you back to her place, and while you are getting hot and heavy she ‘changes her mind,’ so you say ‘fuck you, why did you bring me back here for then you bitch,’ and then storm out.

She gets upset because you ‘rejected’ her. Heaven knows, you may even tell other people what how she behaved. She can cry date rape though, and instead of being labelled a teasing bitch or whatever, she can get lots of attention and turn the heat on you instead.

If you think the law is equally applied, you’re in for a shock. The system has been positioning itself to convict more men of rape, because the conviction rates have been static, while the accusations of rape have been rising.

Really. That’s like saying more women are claiming domestic violence (which judging by the definition of it now, wouldn’t be a surprise) but the convict rate is static. We must change due process and train the courts to convict men based on a woman’s word only. It’s only fair to the women!  Men are the enemy anyway, anything that hurts them is good for the governments desire for total control over the public.

How are they distorting the justice system then?

This is straight from the Home Office site. I’ll translate into English for you. My emphasis.

Supporting victims and addressing the justice gap

Our figures show an ongoing decline in the conviction rate for reported rape cases, reaching an all-time low of 5.6% in 2002 (Source: A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases). We are committed to addressing this by:

  • improving support services for victims – by expanding the network of sexual assault referral centres and launching a Victim Support telephone helpline (new window):  0845 30 30 900.  More taxpayers money to be spent, government to be expanded.
  • improving training – for forensic medical examiners and police officers. The assumption of guilty till proven innocent.
  • providing funded independent sexual violence advisors (ISVAs) throughout England and Wales to offer advice and guidance to victims. People paid by the taxpayer to convince ‘victims’ they really were raped and what to say in court to help secure convictions. In essence, helping to vicimise women.
  • helping vulnerable victims – by allowing them to give evidence from behind a screen or on video.
  • improving payments – made by the criminal injuries compensation scheme to victims. Yet more motive for people to cry rape then, at the taxpayers’ expense, as fucking usual.
  • providing specialist rape prosecutors – to ensure more perpetrators are found guilty in court. Need I say more?
  • consulting victims – about release plans for offenders in serious cases. ?
  • reviewing cold cases – of rape and serious sexual assault. Going back and reopening cases with the hope of convicting previously found innocent men,cases where the allegations were dropped etc, anything to throw more men in prison, and justify the ever increasing abuse industry’s greed for taxpayer cash.

In other words, get ready for a whole new assault on men and relationships. And no, there still isn’t a proper definition of date rape. It is whatever women say it is.

If that isn’t misandric discrimination. I don’t know what is.

If you want a classic example of the State colluding to convict men unjustly, look no further than the Warren Blackwell case.

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11 thoughts on “What is Date Rape?

  1. “A girl you meet one night DRAGS you back to her place, and while you are getting hot and heavy she ‘changes her mind,’ so you say ‘fuck you, why did you bring me back here for then you bitch,’ and then storm out.

    She gets upset because you ‘rejected’ her. Heaven knows, you may even tell other people what how she behaved. She can cry date rape though, and instead of being labelled a teasing bitch or whatever, she can get lots of attention and turn the heat on you instead.”

    “DRAGS”? A grown man can’t say “NO”. I doubt most men get “dragged” anywhere, especially by a woman, where they don’t want to go, you’re exaggerating, but I get your point, it’s her idea, she might talk you into it, but you’re the one who ultimately gives in and you go with your own agenda.

    Obviously if you say “why did you bring me back here for then bitch?” You went there expecting something sexual, but just because a woman asks you to come to her house doesn’t mean she wants to sleep with you. Of course she had the right to change her mind, maybe it’s not as enjoyable as she hoped, maybe she lost interst, maybe you just weren’t any good at the “hot and heavy” part which is a clear indication that fucking you will probably be weak and lame as well, why waste her time and continue with that? You can pout and call her a tease if you so desire.

    Guys, more than likely if a woman asks you back to her place, it’s not to fuck you. maybe she likes you and wants to get to know you better emotionally and intellectually because you are physically attractive to her. Maybe she’s lonely and is enjoying your company and doesn’t want to end the evening, but she is tired and uncomfortable, the crowd, the smoke, the noise and lights are beginning to wear her down, she wants to go home and get comfortable, take off her shoes and bra and relax in a more quiet setting where you can talk more and get to know each other better. She might end up getting hot and heavy with you but those probably weren’t her original intensions when she invited you over, hence her changing her mind. She realized that she might have next day regret if she continues, so she decides to stop, then you get mad, call her a tease and bitch and storm out. Why can’t you just hang out and chill with her, become friends, maybe have sex in the future? Why does sex have to be such a pressing issue and expectation, a requirement for your presence? Otherwise you have no use for this human being? She’s just a wet hole to fuck and if she won’t deliver she’s a tease and a bitch? OK, what an asshole.

    At least you haven’t forced yourself on her, but you have rejected her as a person, and probably hurt her feelings too, she liked you whether you “put out” or not was not a condition on that “like”. The condition for you being there with her was sex, she’s not a person, she’s an object, someone to fuck, nice. Do you deserve to be charged with false rape? ABSOLUTELY NOT, but you for damn sure don’t “deserve” any pussy from this woman.

    Here’s a little clue for you about women, we take pride in being labeled “a tease” after we graduate high school that seems to become a compliment because it’s just one of those derogatory euphamisms men come up with to manipulate a woman sexually, it’s a pressure tactic men use to make a woman feel she must ‘put out” to avoid the label, but once she puts out and takes on the label of ‘slut” instead, she realizes being called a “tease” is a compliment in comparison to being regarded as a “slut”.

    Men enjoy the “challenges” from what I hear I would like to be known for being a “challenge” you will ultimately get much more “attention” that way. There’s no “heat” there to be turned, sorry.

  2. “Feminists tried to get the law changed to assume women cannot give consent if they are drunk. Luckily common sense prevailed, and judges ruled that women can give consent while drunk.”

    Of course women can give consent when they’re drunk, unless they lose conciousness. What enjoyment could a normal man get out of screwing a chic who’s unaware of what’s being done to her anyway? Obviously only a genuine rapist would enjoy doing that. Normal men seem to prefer an active and willing participant to share in the experience. I’ve gotten drunk and given consent plenty of times, but I don’t get obliterated either.

    I would feel violated and raped if a man had sex with my passed out drunken body and would hope most men aren’t turned on by a woman who is temporarily brain dead. I would consider it rape at that point, even if I gave consent prior to passing out, I consented to SHARING and PARTICIPATING in a sexual experience WITH you, so I could derive the pleasures of sex TOO. I did not consent to you using me as a blow up doll, strictly for your own sick sexual gratification.

    Let’s just stay on the safe side fella’s and don’t have sex with women who are passed out, go jerk off if you have to or wait untilt he woman is sober. Your penis shouldn’t fall off before she sobers up. What’s the problem with that? Are you afraid if she’s sober she’ll come to her senses and change her mind? Is that not her right? So you have to take advantage of the drunk situation or God forbid, you won’t score? That is rape boys. Let’s not forget that a legal contract is null and void if the person who signed it was intoxicated when signing.

    • If it’s true that men who have sex with concious, but drunk women, are raping them, than i’ve been “raped” countless times, fortunately having not felt violated by these encounters they weren’t reported as “rapes”.

  3. “None of us want men to rape women, but there is a difference between a man using unreasonable force to assault a woman on the street, and a disagreement between two lovers over whether there was consent on one particular occasion. ”

    So, it’s ok to rape someone once, even when the victim has NOT made it clear that she wants to have sex, that is her choice correct? Not her “lovers”.
    Women are always told that men are wired differently than us sexually. Well, just because you wouldn’t mind your girlfriend having meaningless sex for pure lusts sake with your limp passed out body, and using you as an object and not a human being, doesn’t mean women won’t. We are wired differently than you sexually, that is violating to our bodies and what is done to our bodies should be our choice. Yes means yes. Surely that little thing can wait until we have given consent? Surely it’s not going to fall off before we sober up and can actually participate in the experience and possibly receive pleasure from it as well, unlike an object such as a lifeless blow up doll? Now guys ask yourself this, how would you feel if a guy friend took you out and got piss drunk with you, you went back to his place to pass out and he had sex with you while you were passed out, and you didn’t know it was happening. When you wake up the next day and find out what he did to you, how are you going to feel about it? That is exactly what happens to women when they are “date raped”. How do you expect us to react to that crap? How would you? Oh yeah, you’re wired different sexually, I forgot.

    • Might I add, I agree there is a difference bettween an assault rape and a consent rape, this is obvious, but both are traumatizing and carry their own stigmata.

      Ask any woman, if she had to endure either an assault rape or a consent rape (with the same man) she would more than likely choose the consent rape, while neither would be particularly enjoyable, no woman would prefer to be raped AND beaten, being raped is quite bad enough on it’s own. This would explain why so many women don’t fight back, they dont want to provoke an assault that can otherwise avoid. Seems logical to me.

      Being violated is being violated. Rape is not beating a woman while having sex with her against her will, rape is just having sex with a woman against her will. The crime is the violation, that is what hurts women, some bruises will heal up much faster than the psycological trauma of being violated. A man doesn’t have to beat a woman to violate her.

      The nature of the relationship with the rapist is also a factor. I would think most women would prefer someone she knows or has had sex with previously, to being raped by a stranger. Again, neither experience would be particularly enjoyable.

      No woman “wants” to be raped anyway, it’s impossible and an oxy moron. It doesn’t matter who’s doing it and how, it’s unwanted and wrong. There are not “certain situations” where it is Ok to rape someone, rape is wrong. There is never anything OK about raping someone, there are however different degrees of wrong for the victim.

      Yes assaulting a woman AND raping her is a double whammy for the victim, but any woman would also prefer to just be beaten than beaten AND raped. This just seems like obvious common sense to me.

      The above quotation is as ignorant as women who falsely report rape. “Unreasonable force”, exactly WHAT kind of “force” is the reasonable kind? What a complete idiot.

  4. It’s all too easy for this to happen to a male in this society, with no evidence whatsoever.

    A similar thing happened with my brother a few years back. A girl who slept with him afterwards called it rape (to get attention and so others didn’t think she was a slut) there was of course, no evidence of rape.

    The only reason the charges were dropped is because her mother and her best friend went to the police and explained that it was consensual and she was lying.

    Although he almost had his life ruined by her lies, she wasn’t punished at all.

    • Your brother should sue her in civil court. Hmm, slander, defamation of character, emotional distress…

      Guys, there are loopholes in this unfair system. You can sue anyone for anything in civil court. You may not “win” the case, but you can take it to court.

      If a woman has slandered you, falsely accused you, defamed your character and unjustly disrupted your life you can and should expose her by suing her in civil court. If this happend to enough of these women who cry wolf maybe women will stop doing it, they’ll be afraid to cry wolf. A man is not going to sue a woman in civil court for such as this unless he firmly stands behind his conviction that she is lying. So, that is how you should go about “reporting” her or “pressing charges against” her.

      I’ve heard that women who don’t report rape are making it up to get attention and sympathy but aren’t serious enough to take it to the legal system, perhaps men who dont sue women for false rape accusations are making it up to get attention and sympathy as well.

  5. My 17 year old son is going through hell right now. A 15 year old girl who is a friend of my daughter, came over to our house while I was out of town and brought a bunch of beer and rum with her. They got drunk and started making out. They got pretty intimate and then she said no so he stopped. She woke up the next morning and said nothing to anyone. A week later she went to the police and said he spiked HER drink with some drug and raped her. Now he has been charged as an adult for sexual assualt on a child! We will have to spend thousands of dollars on the court case. My son is a virgin and has never even been on a date with a girl because he is too shy to ask anyone out. He would have never done anything with this girl if SHE had not gotten him drunk. I think she is doing this because she wanted a relationship with him and he did not want one.

  6. Agree on the Date Rape Drug thing. One study found that zero of the women that claimed that they were drugged were actually drugged by anything.

    In fact the use of date rape drugs is SEVERAL orders of magnitude smaller than what they make it out to be. Movies and TV shows alike show a woman being drugged by some guy.

    This rarely ever happens in real life. Women just refuse to take responsibility for being drunken sluts. It’s like suing McDonalds for spilling coffee on your groin because you drove with it between your legs (incidentally that case was actually won).

    To all the women who “claim” date rape when they actually regret having sex the next morning, YOU ARE A SLUT, stop trying to justify it.

    • I’m a liberated woman who has survived being raped. I don’t take kindly to women who cry wolf either, I posted a comment about this on the “Another false accusation of rape” article (read it). Date rape DOES happen, but I believe there are some women who use it as an excuse to explain a bad judgement they don’t want to admit to, but how do we discern this? This is the dillemma for both men and women…

      • I hate to see a woman getting by with slandering and framing an innocent man almost as much as I hate to see a rapist getting by with violating a woman.

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